Don

But if you are relying on somebody else's time piece, well, you may assume you know, but unless you are using an atomic timepiece, well, you just think you know. Without being an expert on timepieces, you likely only assume you know.

N

Now you are acting like a l@wyer, Nate.

The questions was "Do you know what time it is?" the answer is ONLY either yes or no.
IF the lawyer had asked "what time is it?" Then you could give him an answer, if you do know what time it is.

N

I have no idea how I produced an extroverted young lady who has hundreds of friends of all ages and they all adore her.

Regardless of your final decision - to buy from them or somewhere else - do not be surprised if the level of service that you receive after the sale is less.

Two days later, he got a call from Packard himself from Cupertino saying, "Hey, forget that $1500 bill. That was a mistake." The professor said, "Well, OK. Send me a new quotstion."

If you want to snap approximate coords (WGS84) off the map, just point and rightclick.

To find a location try Menu ==> Search.

OK, full disclosure time. I'm the developer of Gmap4 which is showing you the topo maps. The homepage has a FAQ and examples to quickly get you up to speed.

Homepage: http://www.mappingsupport.com/p/gmap4.html

Joseph, the Gmap4 guy

But, what if you don't know what time it is?

Nate

Then you answer no. You only answer facts you know know.

I exclaimed, "That's it, judge!!!" My attorney smiled. The judge
marched back to the bench. The opposing attorney frowned.

BTW, Claire seems to have contracted the worst case of chicken pox I've ever seen. Get some magic potion put on those legs.

As to consideration of service; if this is mainly a commodity purchase then one should look for the lowest price for the equivalent product. In the case of surveying equipment, this would mean in your case you would have about 4k of this purchase related to service before it would make sense to consider it a service contract. If that were the case I would not buy the equipment at all. Not to say that local and service don't count with commodities, just should not be the driving factor. If prices are similar, service and local may tip the scales toward a higher price option.

Surveying services always include judgment calls based on special knowledge. Therefore, "lowballing" is either bad business or an admission of inferior knowledge of the subject matter. Both showing bad judgment and should be avoided by the educated consumer. Anytime you get a service proposal much lower than other proposals you should be wary. But you can't compare service contracts with commodity contracts.

Nate

They know what their Doctor, Nurse, Accountant, Attorney and Dentist does, at least vaguely but Surveying is a mystery.

I think it's related to most people getting further from the land in their lives and we haven't stepped up efforts to inform them of what we do. We have sort of taken it for granted that the public would just believe us when we say, "here is the boundary." They really have no basis to believe us.

The Attorneys and Judges have mostly gotten away from Real Property cases too. They are doing all sorts of other things such as family law, corporate business law and criminal law.

Some members of the public have some clue, however, those ones we have a chance with.

And of course you know how wrong you are when they tell you quite emphatically 'That fence is right on the boundary. Uncle Fred told me that 40 years ago'.

Kelly (on the left) graduated with a Bachelor of Music (Trumpet) today. Claire (on the right) graduated with a Bachelor of Music (Vocal Performance) two years ago. She is now doing vocals with a Baby Boomer Cover Band in the Bay Area (not her regular job, though).

It is something when the baby that was handed to you 2 seconds after birth (literally-the Doc said, "Dad, here is your Daughter") graduates from College.

I don't have a level. There are lots of old levels for cheap on Ebay. My boss has 3 old levels in his office. He likes to acquire them because they can be had very cheap at Auctions and so forth and most lay people think they are cool anyway.

I took Nevada July 2008 in Reno and passed first try. I just focused on the NAC and NRS survey related sections. I also used the 1973 Manual and the BLM Corner Restoration manual. Also, know the NV coordinate systems - zones, zone datum basis, etc. I missed an easy one on that. lol. Anyway, the exam was very straight forward. If you have experience with the PLSS and know what you are doing you should pass with flying colors. Just know the coordinate systems, survey related codes and survey related statutes and you'll do fine.

Really know when you have to file a survey, monument record, and license renewal-I recall that one well.

All the best!
Jason

Attorney: Yes, what are the other two?

If a lawyer asks you “Do you know what time it is?” you should just answer “Yes”.

That right. Because he asked "Do you know what time it is?” not "What time is it?". The point being to answer directly and truthfully, without expanding it with things that can be debated as opinion... that's what will get you "into trouble". Let the lawyer ask the questions and lead you to what he wants to know. Mostly surveyors are a helpful sort, but in a legal or courtroom setting, let them be in the spotlight.

and I've heard if you ask your lawyer "what does 2+2 equal?"

the answer (with a smile) is "what would you like it to be?"

The typical response is well he hired you, of course you'll be in his favor. It's funny when after the fact we are in their favor sometimes. I always tell them we work in the public interest, not altering data because of who pays us. I'm guessing those accusing us of fraud, probably aren't very honest folks anyway. As the saying goes those accusing, typically are committing the act.

I'll sort of agree with you, but a whole lot I'll find that people just don't know what we do, or how we do it, and that scares them, so they threaten "LAWSUIT".

Now I have two SOKKISHA OF1 solar filters that fit my guns.

For tomorrow I fitted one to Nikon camera that is mounted atop Lietz SDM3E fitted with the other filter.

Will try these a few hours before the event to see what setting and focus work best.

This is the not a good area for viewing and may not be possible at all. It is supposed to happen at near sundown.

Lubbock appears to be the prime area in Texas.

just out of interest (being from a different bit of the globe), how can she 'take you to court' if she hasn't any evidence to the contrary?

It's just a common empty threat here in the States to try to get to you change things to the way they want them. Like someone else said, about 99.94% of the people that threaten court actions don't actually initiate them.

But yet we shop for goods & services with an economic mindset, and usually go with the low guy. Usually I say, as I know I've often times paid a bit more from a local guy that I could have gotten online for 10% or so cheaper.

Another ironic story about local prices. All our city/county vehicles (big county with 3 main cities) have a bumper sticker that reads "SHOP LOCAL!!" Kind of a push from the local Chambers of Commerces. Well, my city needed some new police cars and even though we have every manufacturer dealership available local, the low bidder was from Phoenix (200 miles away), for a savings of about 3% on those 4 cars.

Same thing on many construction projects, including the most recently awarded $6 million project for a new county public works department building going to a Mesa firm, where #2 bidder is a highly respected local general contractor with many employees (many are also currently laid off). Funny part is if he would have got the job, I'd be doing the staking. Now some lowballer surveyor from Phoenix will.

Shop local bumper stickers on publicly funded vehicles.... what a joke. Kinda like Mr Cow's story about the assessor moron with the wrong township overlay map. I wonder what they pay for taxes? And what kind of training did the GIS Dept provide said moron.

The irony of it all.

Sorry, off topic. Just ranting No hijack intended.....

Don

Great point. Oh, the irony to hear surveyors complain about low ballers and then turn around and look for the low baller supplier. Nervermind service or keeping it local.

A good use for my Transit; project the image onto white paper. Can't use my Total Station because I want the EDM to keep working.

I've used my old transit before, but found the higher magnification in the level (38X vs about 10X) works better. Just gotta goof around with the tripod to get the vertical right. But you're right about not using a total station, as it will fry the EDM

I'll be on the South side of Lake Mead (Meadview, AZ) at about 4,000 ft at my little getaway trailer. Should be pretty good. Thought of driving up to a high peak, but kinda like just sitting in my nice shaded yard.

An example from earlier this week. A friend has a son who is a senior in high school. He is taking two college classes from the community college in the same town. Because he has a high school GPA above 3.60 he does not have to pay tuition for those classes. That is policy set by the community college. Nevertheless, his parents have received repeated notices demanding they pay the tuition. Finally, the mother went straight to the top at the college. He was horribly embarrassed to learn what was happening and promised to rectify that situation and to make sure that other students eligible for that free tuition were being handled appropriately. They have this policy to attract the smart kids to stay with them instead of leaving home to a four-year college somewhere else upon high school graduation.

About 20 years ago I received notice that the property taxes on one of my farms was going to increase by about 30 percent from the previous year. It is bare pasture ground with no improvements, thus requiring the State-determined assessment of so many dollars per acre of each soil type to have increased by an average of the same amount. A quick check with the County Appraiser's Office told me that the highest increase in any one soil type that year had been 12 percent. We eventually determined that one of their employees had accidentally picked up the soil map from the next township to the west and laid it over four sections, one of which included my farm. My rocky ridge was now prime creek bottom soil, thus the exorbitant change in value. No one else in those four sections had realized the huge mistake made.

A recent client of ours required Microsoft Project but I didn't have anything to do with that project so I haven't learned or even installed it yet. It is still sitting on my desk waiting for an install.

I know Excel well and I can personalize everything to my preference. I guess that's why I keep using it.

If you perceive the charletans tools in use, they are not very good charletans. All charletans use sleight of hand. Up front dealers are a much smaller percentage of the the vast majority of sales vendors, who have no issues at all doing whatever is necessary to make the sale, whether equipment or just pure Snake Oyl. Don't expect facts from them. Claims and testamonials only are the "proof" they offer.

The assumption must be, the salesman is a charletan unless and until proven otherwise.

Now that I'm back on my own in a small business I'm back to a spreadsheet.

As these roads are maintained, the driven center line will change location.

In making a first time description of the road I attempt to arrive at a best fit situation by using the back of bank and other stable features along the road that are an indication of the limits of the existing road and positions that do not change as often as the driven center line.

When deed calls exist within the roadway, I relocate that boundary by seniority of the boundaries involved and as it fits the limits of the roadway.

I do not consider the driven roadway center line to control the road's location because it does not change naturally like a stream or creek. The culverts, back of bank, bridges and end of slopes are rather stationary features and more reliable as to locating a road's position.

Monuments should be set on the R/W at the angle points, PC and PT.

I like writing a metes and bounds of the R/W rather than a center line with offsets.

0.02

The problem with just Northerly 600' is it creates an ambiguity that you can't plot it, compute acreage, check the closure, etc. I hate getting a deed worded like that. At least give a chord bearing and distance along the road if it's sort of straight.

They keep on putting different f
eatures in, but no explanation on hojuw to use it...

Give them the benefit of the doubt, you may be surprised.

"Sirs:
Thanks for the quote.
I have found that I can purchase the widget from several other vendors for $xxx.xx with no tradein.
Will you match that price?
Thanks, Jon"

Then go and buy from someone you trust...

As one of the companies I purchase equipment from often has personnel who read this board, let me make clear that it was not your company. It was a different sort of product than you deal in.

I got on line and was researching a particular product that I was thinking about upgrading. I read reviews and specs, checked on pricing and options on the product. As with most purchases I make, I was as informed on the product as the sales people would be. I then spoke with a local dealer I use for this type of product about a quote on purchasing.

They e-mailed me a quote for the product that had a bottom line that was equal to the advertised manufacturer's pricing from the manufacturer's website. Exactly what I was expecting to see as the price. The manufacturer was running a special price at the time. However, the dealer had bumped the new item's price up then deducted a trade of the model I am currently using in order to get to the advertised special of the manufacturer. That would make for a difference of about $1000 - $1500 (or about 19% of the new product pricing).

So I double checked to make sure that the manufacturer advertised price was not contingent on a trade and found that it was not. I also found that I could get that pricing basically anywhere and receive free shipping.

Essentially, this is like buying a car at MSRP and trading in your old car for no gain.

As I have given away many times the difference in price in equipment as I upgraded, the dollar value is not what bothers me. I just do not like what I perceive as some 'slight of hand' to gain a few extra bucks.

It is definitely not the way I would do business with people.

Opinions?

Good thing to know, though if you're trying to retrace an old highway right of way.

Andy

So do you even attempt to calculate a series of curves that will approximate the center line? If so, different distances would lead to different results. For example, if there is a more-or-less straight section and surveyor A placed stations every 100', but surveyor B put stations every 10', their center lines might disagree by, perhaps, 2'. Would you have a stationing distance in mind that you would consider proper?

Really? Maybe I do not understand what you are saying, but what difference does it make what the stationing is on a more-or-less straight section of road? I think two surveyors doing their best to follow the centerline with whatever length curves they feel work best would end within a few tenths of each other after 600 feet of road.
Some of us older guys that can remember hand chaining know that if you pull a 100 foot chain with a tree on-line that bends the chain off-line by one foot in the middle it will only measure .02' off of true length. You would think it would make more of an error, but check it in your CAD.

Scott

Andy, if you were trying to set up training sessions in your area, you would understand what I mean and the frustration involved.
How much money have you spent on a real training session lately? Have you been to a Carlson College session? If the answer to either question is "No", you are part of the problem I am addressing.
It's a very frustrating thing to try to get something like this togfether. I can only wish Wendell good luck in his efforts, but reality can be a bitch sometimes.

If the answer to the first question is "No," you need to reread the question

Don

So Facebook owns server farms, big deal; the government owns server farms for crying out loud.

A few years back after looking at many of the I chose and used "Bigtime". It took a bit of tweaking to get it set up for surveying. It tied into Quickbooks so billings and payroll were tied to projects and I could manage and track thing very easily. I was very happy with it. It did not do some of the things that some of the survey-centric programs do such as link into maps and prepare calendars.

The problem came when I had to migrate Quickbooks to a different PC. Bigtime needed to be on the same PC and that meant re-installing it and re-tweaking it all over again (which involved hours on the phone with the makers)..BLAHHH. So in the end we let it go.
Later I wanted to go back to it and found they had solved the co-location issue, but had gone to a subscription based service.

That is the issue I have with many of them. I really don't want to pay the monthly fees that seem to be the wave of things.

Some time later I did start with an online-ish service I cannot remember the name of using hand scanners and bar codes and so forth. It looked promising but again, it needed a ton of tweaking to fit my needs as it was more designed for engineering and it ended up being to expensive.

For now we use Google Calendar to schedule jobs and employee conflicts, which is handy since it can be color coded and can be accessed from any PC (or Droid phone) by all the employees and google has it so you can give separate passwords with differing rights to people. Franky, I like using the google tools and am waiting for them to come out with a good Droid capable project tracking program that will also tie into google maps. Maybe something that will also work with Maptitude of other GIS programs as well!

If it were a non tangent curve then ...to the beginning of a 160 foot radius non-tangent curve with a radial bearing of South 33°46'11" East

On plans I always show the Delta, but I do not put it in my descriptions. I do like having the Delta when drafting up the descriptions though since the cad program I use works smoothest using it.

There are no requirements here that certain elements are required in descriptions. In fact, there is no requirement that they be prepared by a Surveyor (except within some ordinances pertaining to municipally approved adjustments or subdivisions), though many of us would like to see suck a law.

In MI they call those Site Condominiums. Looks & feels like a subdivsion, but its all condo with individual footprints for individual housing units. All private, but the same "common elements" & "master deed" criteria as a condominium complex. I did a few and vowed to never do another one.

http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2012/05/17/business/dealbook/how-the-facebook-offeri...

I like to hold a radius, and I try to keep everything normal.
The only thing I wish folks would do is to label a curve "non-tangent" if that's the way it works out. It's ok, just let people know it's what you meant to do. It can drive you nuts.

JB,

How does this look to ya?

Part of a recent plat of mine.

good thing you guys up there are used to the Rain!

Given deeds that convince you the boundary is the center line of the traveled portion of a dirt road, and the best description so far goes something like "thence northerly along the center line of town highway 1 a distance of 600 feet, more or less, to a point...." The highway twists and turns. Needless to say, neither of the descriptions of the lots on either side of the road provide enough information to decide if they close.

Also, the road has a variety of edge material. Flat grass in some areas, some rock wall, some trees, and some drainage ditches.

So do you even attempt to calculate a series of curves that will approximate the center line? If so, different distances would lead to different results. For example, if there is a more-or-less straight section and surveyor A placed stations every 100', but surveyor B put stations every 10', their center lines might disagree by, perhaps, 2'. Would you have a stationing distance in mind that you would consider proper?

Thence with the arc of a tangent curve to the right having a radius of 160.00 feet and a central angle of 33 degrees 17 minutes 28 seconds, an arc distance of 92.97 feet to a point of tangency;

more or less.

+1

Non-tangent curves (they show up from time to time), or narratives that intersect a curve, have the radial bearing added.

Rick

Also you will need match radio frequency, baud, and FCC settings to make it work. It is a shot in the dark to try communication without knowing all the information.

Lee Green

Hope this helps.

Regards.

I had a clients neighbour ring me one day to say my defenition of a boundary was wrong and he would get another surveyor which he did.
That surveyor rang me and asked what was going on and I explained my survey, offered a copy of my notes, and the issues of the common boundary and he advised his client he was wasting his time.

It's not a case of peeing in each others pockets but surveyors here look after the cadaster and not the owner. We tell them where their boundary is and 99.999999% of the time the public are 100% accepting even if at odd times they don't like the outcome.

Its still not nice when someone suggests they know better and you know they are coming from an unqualified direction.

If you monument the street sidelines as we do in Mass, these monuments are basically the the subdivision control. In my experiance, 6"x6"x48" granite, set 2" below grade are as adequate as monumentation in the street.

No doubt. I sure wouldn't want to be on the monumentation crew for a 2000-lot subdivision, though!

It looks like I can add 6" to get the Geodetic Azimuth of 232-08-10, I think.

A positive meridian component of deflection of the vertical (Xi) indicates
that the astronomic latitude will fall to the north of the corresponding
geodetic latitude of the point.

A positive prime-vertical component of deflection of the vertical (Eta)
indicates that the astronomic longitude will fall to the east of the
corresponding geodetic longitude of the point.

The computed Laplace correction (Hor.Laplace) should be ADDED to a
clockwise astronomic azimuth, to obtain a "near-geodetic" Laplace azimuth.
Note: the deflection correction is usually negligible, yielding a
geodetic azimuth.
Note: in many textbooks, the Laplace correction is shown with the
opposite sign and is subtracted from astronomic azimuth.

In direct response to your question: I don't know. I'm too tired to try to make sense of it!

Output from DEFLEC09

Station Name latitude longitude Xi Eta Hor_Lap
dd mm ss.sssss ddd mm ss.sssss arc-sec arc-sec arc-sec
USER LOCATION 38 36 02.00000 121 21 27.00000 -1.62 -7.05 5.63

Geodetic Azimuth = ?

Thanks.

...The surface of the street should last at least 40 years before it needs a resurface.

This method has served Los Angeles County quite well for over 100 years, do you have a better method of placing original control in your area?

I was going to say that paving schedule sounds impossible, since here on Kauai we have a rough paving schedule for our State highways of 10-15 years, and sometimes the last few years are pretty bumpy, but I visit the South Bay pretty frequently, and it looks like the pavement lasts much longer there. I know it's made from dg instead of lava rock, so that's a help, I'm sure. That, and the frequent wet conditions here just tear the asphalt up.

We set our monuments on the shoulder usually on a 15 foot offset from C/L. After doing this work for over a decade now, if I had to set up anywhere in a busy intersection, I feel safest right on the C/L by C/L. They can see you there...

I thought radius and chord bearing and distance was a Sacramento County oddity that you don't see elsewhere.

Maybe Joe Spink (a very busy CE from the 1930s to 1960s) brought it from Oregon.

That is also standard in Hawaii. However, if the curve is a tangent curve (and most are) I prefer to calc through the radius point instead of using the chord distance, (which is actually a calculated number).

For example, in a simple subdivision with rectangular lots, the M & B description would describe a 20' radius curve to accommodate a street intersection with the chord azimuth, and the distance as 28.28 feet. But the distance is actually 28.28427... feet. This way, it takes some of the slop out of the calculations.

Wow! I saw the manhole right after you left...they moved the dumpster and there it was!

That reminds me of a tale I've told before, but it stuck so well in my mind that I'll tell it again: a surveyor I used to work with (Frank M., RIP) once field-checked an ALTA one of his crews did. He saw a DI that was slightly out of its drainage easement, so he put a red note on the field sheet "Move DI into easement." The field sheet went to the draftsman, who duly inked MOVE DI INTO EASMT with a leader pointing to the DI. That's the way the survey went out the door, and nobody said anything about it until Frank himself pulled the map a few years later in response to a request to update it.

He got to call me "old man" for one day every year.

THENCE NORTH 56°13'49" EAST ###.## FEET TO THE BEGINNING OF A 160.00 FOOT RADIUS CURVE CONCAVE SOUTHEASTERLY; THENCE NORTHEASTERLY ALONG THE ARC OF SAID CURVE 92.97 FEET, THROUGH A CENTRAL ANGLE OF 33°17'28", (THE CHORD OF WHICH BEARS N 72°52'33"E 91.66 FEET); THENCE N 89°31'17" E ###.00 FEET

I like concavity over left and right and I also use all caps.

I don't like concavity, or convexity for that matter (this curve is convex northwesterly), but I do appreciate that it eliminates one blunder.

When you write another description that includes this curve, except from the opposite direction, the curve is still CONCAVE SOUTHEASTERLY, whereas I have to make sure I turn my "curve right" into a "curve left"

Woohoo! The boss just taught me this trick today! He said he was the only guy he knew who did it that way ...

I began my survey career in British Columbia. There, curves on plats are annotated with azimuths from the PC and PT to the center point, the radius, and the curve length. With that data, calc'ing through the radius point is a natural.

BTW, they don't use metes and bounds legal descriptions there very often. Every parcel is created by a map, and property descriptions are nearly universally by lot number on a map.

Firstly, we're not Canadian (thank God for diversity). But the best description would list chord, chord bearing and radius or some other element. KISS, keep it simple...

Woohoo! The boss just taught me this trick today! He said he was the only guy he knew who did it that way ...

I began my survey career in British Columbia. There, curves on plats are annotated with azimuths from the PC and PT to the center point, the radius, and the curve length. With that data, calc'ing through the radius point is a natural.

BTW, they don't use metes and bounds legal descriptions there very often. Every parcel is created by a map, and property descriptions are nearly universally by lot number on a map.

Does not make any sense to a knowledgeable buyer.

Paul in PA

Don

I never favored using the concave call. Right or left is much more intuitive.

No observed...might be a bit better.

I also used to do mine in all caps, too. Then I got super-annuated. All caps are hard to read.

Our styles are very similar, Jered!

Thence northeasterly a distance of 92.97 feet along said curve, through a central angle of 33d17'28";

Thence North 89d17'28" East yy.yy feet...

Similar to many.

(I hate to use d or D instead of the symbol, but I can't seem to find it on my iPad...Sorry!)

"Friend me" if you want: https://www.facebook.com/carlcorrell

And the state of descriptions up and down the state proves it.

Jud, are you talking to me, are you talking to me....
my chord is shorter than my length....

Having spent the first 28 or so yrs of my surveying career in MI, I will say that it is no easy task chopping through 3 ft of frost in a gravel road to find a "effing" section corner that you know is there. Oh, and those nice subdivision lot surveys with the groomed yard (still got the 3' frost dealy thingy going on) you need to take a pick to in order to verify..... well the yuppie bytch homeowner may not like that, as her 4 lb football sized shytzu dog barks at you the whole time.

Now here in sunny AZ, we have all these nice C/L monuments to go by. And some lazy SOB complains because he has to chop 2" of assfault to verify it.

wah wah wah

Good luck with your project. If I can help just give me a jingle. If it's Mohave Co, be sure to call Jason. Super, super guy and will bend over backwards to help ya.

Plus, with a re-plat I'd start with P & Z. I always talk to Mimi Myers in zoning to get me started. Or Jodi in Planning. It's gonna take you/owner a year at least.

RE: name change. I emailed Wendell and asked how to do it. So it went from "wayne griffin" to "Chan GePlease". Kinda like chinese currency with a french accent good for a Romney bumper sticker slogan..... or something...... I just had some personal reasons to want to change it, that's all. Still me all you beerleggers.

Just send him an email via the site and they will take care of your concerns. May take a few days, but it worked for me. One thing, you will lose all previous search engine sources for AZLS, if that matters

Quick question for the users:

A Topcon Hyper GA base station is running at mine site, information about the set-up is not available at current time. Surveyor is using a Trimble GNSS system, trying to connect.

What would be the most likely default RTK message format (RTCM, CMR, etc.) on this receiver/brand when used with a 35 watt radio base radio?

Just a "long shot" that I can relay to him to help him out.

Thanks,

Georges

Stephen

Well its Friday and I have a scotch on the rocks calling my name. Come Monday I should have the words put together to enlighten the client or send him down the road.

Lee,
Just figure out how to describe the paper curve of the new Right-of-Way lines
DDSM
(there is a game?...rock paper something...?)

It just drive me nuts. I could have sworn the time of paper subdivisions were over. But I guess with the economy the way it is every one is twisting the nut, and if you twist hard and long enough you will find that person willing to take the short cut for the easy buck.

Well its Friday and I have a scotch on the rocks calling my name. Come Monday I should have the words put together to enlighten the client or send him down the road.

Go and click n your state to see an animated map of what you can expect.

We were doing a topo of a couple lots and tied to some pins across the street from our job, later that day my boss calls and asks why we were digging holes in xxx's yards and setting pins in them? (he of course, knew the deal) She still thinks that we set them even though they were 0.60' beneath the surface, had old flagging and 10 years of rust.

I pointed out that while I would walk across a site and never spot the visible evidence, a trained archaeologist would see the pottery shards.

If you were signing as an archaeologist you might be found negligent. But surveyors aren't archaeologists, and aren't held to the standard of practice of same.